23 April 2009 @ 12:05 am
RE: Underoath vs. Avenged Sevenfold  
Well, I need to have an opinion...



Here's the quote which started the controversy, from Underoath's guitarist, Tim McTague:

“People might associate us with Avenged Sevenfold because they’re pissed republicans and ‘so metal’, but they’re a gimmick, they’re a circus. They can’t play and they can’t write a song. What’s worse is the way they look. If you need to have make-up and crappy names like Synyster Gates to sell records, then you shouldn’t be here. That’s not rock’n’roll to me. Arena rock maybe, but not real rock’n’roll. If you’re basing yourself on how cool you are or how many girls you can trick into thinking your band is cool you can just… take that home. I’m not saying that’s what Avenged Sevenfold do, but they do a lot of crap that makes me think, ‘that’s why you and us will never be the same’. At the same time, we don’t write a really heavy record ‘just to show all those Avenged Sevenfold fans what real metal is like’

Tim McTague is talking bullshit.

Avenged Sevenfold are one of the few bands these days who really put everything they have into their music. They can’t be lumped into the same group as those pretty boy bands who learn how to play three chords and sing whiny songs about chicks hating them.

To say Avenged Sevenfold are talentless is an absolute joke. Avenged Sevenfold are some of the most talented musicians around today. Brian is one of the most talented guitarists in rock today and his teamwork with Zacky is an absolute sight to behold. Jimmy is the one of - nay the best modern drummer of the past ten years and his voice is so original and unique. Johnny is an incredible bassist. And what is there to say about the vocals of Matt, the lovechild of Phil Anselmo and Axl Rose, it's original and lends itself to anything perfectly.

They’re one of the few bands around today who have got real staying power and are going to be highly thought of in years to come. They’re well on the way to becoming legends in the rock world.

How many young bands these days have earned the same kind of status as A7X have? They’ve played with Slash, were personally chosen by James Hetfield for a Metallica tour, shit, have been credited by Metallica as inspiration for their latest album. Guns N' Roses' 'Better' is an Avenged Sevenfold inspired track (not confirmed but just listen to that chorus and that solo). And Underoath have done, what?

And then to give them shit because they have stagenames and wear make up? What is wrong with a bit of theatricality in music? Their look and names don't make them any less talented. And on the same subject to assume that girls got into them because they looked like that? That is the thing which has really fucked me off. You know what? Yeah, there are going to be girls out there who are into the band for the way they look but the majority of us are intelligent individuals with minds of our own who can see past looks and to the music itself. When I first got into A7X, I wasn't remotely attracted to anything, I was just so depressed that looks didn't matter shit to me. I fell in love with the music and my infatuations with members came later, even those were built more off how they made me feel than how they looked - despite the fact they are beautiful. You want to have a go at pretty boy rock acts, try fuckin' Bring Me The Horizon and people like that.

And finally, who the hell compared these guys to Avenged Sevenfold anyway? Looks to me like they're trying to ride on A7X's popularity, yes?
 
 
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Love Kills Slowly: scream matt scream ;][info]screamsynscream on April 23rd, 2009 12:32 am (UTC)
Ugh. >:[
I could go on about this for ages, but you've covered just about everything I screamed out loud after I read that.

To dislike Avenged is one thing, but to call them talentless is just utter fucking bullshit. They are some of the most talented musicians out there right now, and they're giving it their all. They're not just a bunch of cocky assholes in stage makeup that just throw some shit together and call it a day.

And the fact that he put them down for the way they look is just pure fuckin' jealousy. When I first heard their music, I didn't give a damn what they looked like. Their lyrics made me feel alive for the first time in years and that's all that mattered to me. The fact that they're some sexy motherfuckers with a drop dead gorgeous lead guitarist is just a helluva bonus. Who cares if they wear makeup and look good doing it? They're doin' their own thing, and they're not doing it to impress anyone.

It really fucking pisses me off when someone has the nerve to insult my boys on this level. It's just low, and totally ignorant. They worked damn hard to get where they are, and they deserve every bit of it.

Sorry for ranting on your post. Apparently I went on about it for ages anyway. lol But I couldn't agree more. Shit like that just pisses me off.
Vee ; [CHUCK me!]: m. shadows[info]dametokillfor on April 23rd, 2009 12:47 am (UTC)
See, I'd make a longer response but a simple, I agree completely about does it.
And rant away, makes me feel less crazy over it all.
Jennnnnnnnnnnn[info]corruptinnocent on April 23rd, 2009 01:06 am (UTC)
Agreed. I'm still trying to figure out the "they can't play and they can't write a song" rant...

Like I said on deathbatnews though, I'm slightly offended by the girls comment. Really? Are we all with vaginas that shallow? I mean, I'm shallow enough to admit that ZV is gorgeous, but that wouldn't keep me interested in a band, keep me listening, keep me going to shows.

Besides... there are some dudes in bands I love that are total chuds.
Vee ; [CHUCK me!][info]dametokillfor on April 23rd, 2009 01:29 am (UTC)
Yeah, that one is a little confusing. I'm listening to Bat Country at the moment (it came on TV) and I'm not entirely sure where they get talentless from. I actually listened to some Underoath earlier and the first five songs I picked - all at random - sounded identical short of a little synth on one.

That bit was probably the worst part. I can't help but wonder if they think the same about their female fans too, that they're only in it for the 'pretty' guys. It's only natural though to find good looking people good looking, doesn't detract from the fandom. Men are the same with the female fronted bands, how is that any different?

Agreed, some of the best musicians are physicallyu quite repulsive.
velvetine_gunn[info]velvetine_gunn on April 23rd, 2009 02:27 am (UTC)
O hell no!
Makeup!!! Oh my fucking god! Its called a stage because...oh yeah they put on a show...a production! You can date men wearing makeup on stage back to the fucking 19th century! Oh and where in that does he mention playing with metallica? oh yeah thats right he doesn't! That dude is full of fucking bull shit! Would he walk up to slash and be like "hey dude you suck! you need a stage name!" or what i would really like to see is him in a room surrounded by fucking slipnot and tell them there shit coz they wear fucking costumes! (I know I'm ranting but...grrr). Pretty boys my ass...yes they are very handsome young men but fuck off! I brought two albums before I had even googled what they looked like. Obviously he's just as shallow as us vagina barers to know how good looking they are!

I appologise for the rant but its 3am and this has infuriated me!

v_g xx
velvetine_gunn[info]velvetine_gunn on April 23rd, 2009 02:36 am (UTC)
Please tell me I'm wrong!?!
I just googled the kid who said this and the band. They are the ones with the toni and guy hair cuts right? side slanting fringes? long hair...? What the fuck do they know? argh!
Vee ; [CHUCK me!]: synyster gates[info]dametokillfor on April 23rd, 2009 11:28 am (UTC)
Re: Please tell me I'm wrong!?!
Dude, rant away, it's good to hear that other people have the same opinion.
And yep, that's the band.
Seriously quite pathetic.
velvetine_gunn[info]velvetine_gunn on April 23rd, 2009 12:42 pm (UTC)
Re: Please tell me I'm wrong!?!
I'm just totally gob-smacked. 10 hours of sleep and I'm just in shock.
Wolfstreet[info]berrysoup on April 23rd, 2009 03:21 am (UTC)
Oh Timmy, serious, you can only really like a Christian band for so long and then they say shit like that. I really did like Underoath, but only for their music and that's only really a couple songs. I do get tired of screaming and singing sometimes, and A7X just doesn't do that, I can't get tired of them, it's unbreakable.

However, I can get tired of screaming/singing, screaming isn't a talent, it's just pure, voice scorching rage. I swear, my respect for Tim went way down hill, and he was my favorite. Calling out Avenged is the worst move ever, because now, fans are shooting up the fucking roof and they have a wrath. Christianity is the worst religion out there, pure Christians are the worst people in the world, they are devils themselves. Tim just proved that to me.

Thank God I'm a Catholic. Not an avid one but I have a religion ;)

BUT TIMMY IS A FAG ANYWAYS!!!! A7X FO LIFE!!!!

Oooo and I do have some embarrassing things on Tim. One:Startrek fucking sucks and that's how the band met, was at a Startrek convention and Two: Tim still has braces. Get into Starwars cause it's way cooler and think about some invisible braces, those pick up chicks ;)

XD
Vee ; [CHUCK me!][info]dametokillfor on April 23rd, 2009 11:33 am (UTC)
See, I agree completely on the Christian thing. They're all so convinced that they're right and that they're above everyone else that they can come out with shit like this and not expect any reaction. Because they think we're too afraid to criticize anyone with any kind of religion.

INDEED!

A Star Trek con? Wow. I mean, I'm a geek but even I think that's kind of sad. And braces? Yes, now it's all become clear why he's calling them out. He's like the nerd in school who hates the popular boys because they can get laid.